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Personally I think microsofts ads are pretty poor effort but hey when you have something like 80-90% marketshare I suppose they don't worry too much
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of course they're worrying! their profits went down $20b this year!

apples I'm a pc/mac ad's are getting irritating, rather than selling the product which might be a better approach they're now resorting to the age old 'issues' to try and scare users over, the problem is most of those old issues aren't there anymore.
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have you seen the new ones? they're on about customer service and satisfaction, as well as going to an operating system that works straight out of the box.

and virus' are sitll an issue being as macs cant get em and pcs even with protection on em are flawed by the average user themself.


So this bloke is amazed that his home printer works with his laptop

....that'll be a PC user then...bless 'em.

Why didn't he get that 8 year old in the ad to help him out?
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you actually made me laugh out loud :D
 
tim said:
of course they're worrying! their profits went down $20b this year!
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I don't think they're that worried just yet, they were still in profit, it's one year in the last 23 years and it's in a recession. If it drops again this year then we'll see.

have you seen the new ones? they're on about customer service and satisfaction, as well as going to an operating system that works straight out of the box.
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of course apple's cs is going to be better they only have like 10 models to support all from the same supplier :rolleyes: Works straight out of the box, so does windows (obviously different if you are upgrading/installing), os-x needs patching just as much as windows does, it's just done in one big bulk download (upto 500megs for 10.6.2 iirc) rather than little weekly ones.

and virus' are sitll an issue being as macs cant get em and pcs even with protection on em are flawed by the average user themself.
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anti virus software on windows is expected these days, even my nan knows it's needed and she doesn't use a pc! Also you hit the nail on the head with the flawed by the average user, with the sheer amount of advertising for av software only an idiot (or super geek) runs a windows machine without it. And as I've said before I haven't had a virus for years (neither have my parents) and all I run is a firewall (router) and my free anti virus, not exactly heavy duty, x64 code may help too (now becoming the defacto os by most manufacturers too :)) but even so.

I still feel the same on the 'new' ads, from my perspective it seems that apple is worried about how well windows 7 is being received and is trying to play on the 'past' issues. Like I said Apple should be selling the os/hardware etc rather than trying to hit below the belt at windows as even some die hard apple fans are starting to think the same as me on this.
It's a bit like the anti virus companies (sophos for example) trying to scare monger people into buying their over priced av software when there's plenty of free alternatives (avg, avast, panda, ms security essentials - I use this) out there that are better or equal to their software.
 
I have been running Windows 7 Pro for the last two weeks now and it's the mutts nuts ;)

I especially like the built in Virtual Machine as I can now run Windows XP on a VM easily to use Quickbooks which never worked on my 64 bit syste. I also have Windows 2003 and Centos installed as VMs for dev work.

For web developers it's a godsend, very stable and faster than a nun from an orgy. Everything Vista should have been but wasn't basically...
 
I don't think they're that worried just yet, they were still in profit, it's one year in the last 23 years and it's in a recession. If it drops again this year then we'll see.
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i think they are. look at apple. profits rising up and up and up.

anti virus software on windows is expected these days, even my nan knows it's needed and she doesn't use a pc! Also you hit the nail on the head with the flawed by the average user, with the sheer amount of advertising for av software only an idiot (or super geek) runs a windows machine without it. And as I've said before I haven't had a virus for years (neither have my parents) and all I run is a firewall (router) and my free anti virus, not exactly heavy duty, x64 code may help too (now becoming the defacto os by most manufacturers too ) but even so.
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fair play if you havent, but a lot of people still do, not because they are stupid enough to open up a virus file or whatever, but simply because they get sucked in by wanting to click on a porn site or download music/videos or whatever!

it is the users fault 9 times out of 10 but that doesnt mean that they were stupid enough to click the big button that was obviously a virus...

(did that make sense!?)

I still feel the same on the 'new' ads, from my perspective it seems that apple is worried about how well windows 7 is being received and is trying to play on the 'past' issues. Like I said Apple should be selling the os/hardware etc rather than trying to hit below the belt at windows as even some die hard apple fans are starting to think the same as me on this.
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i disagree.

the computers sell themselves if your company is putting out a clear message of "hassle free usage"

it's working, quite obviously, the ads are talked about all over the internet and it hasnt caused a decline or even a slow in macs...


of course apple's cs is going to be better they only have like 10 models to support all from the same supplier Works straight out of the box, so does windows (obviously different if you are upgrading/installing), os-x needs patching just as much as windows does, it's just done in one big bulk download (upto 500megs for 10.6.2 iirc) rather than little weekly ones.
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not true i get updates all the time, 20mb, 50mb, 100mb, 500mb (10.6.2 as you said), then when they're updated all other drivers update themselves.

and there we go, you just admitted they're better out the box! no one really cares if they're only supporting a few models that they make all by themselves, fact is, they work perfectly out of the box!
 
tim said:
not true i get updates all the time, 20mb, 50mb, 100mb, 500mb (10.6.2 as you said), then when they're updated all other drivers update themselves.

and there we go, you just admitted they're better out the box! no one really cares if they're only supporting a few models that they make all by themselves, fact is, they work perfectly out of the box!
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We'll do our normal disagreeing on the other bits but windows works fine out of the box too, if you have issues when you buy a new pc (ie not self built or anything else) from somewhere like pcworld its 90% of the time down to all the 'added extras' that companies stick on their pc's (ie google toolbar, the free norton demo, game/program demo's etc). If you take a dell business pc which does not have any of the crapware it runs fine, the same with my pc's when I built them (and this was with vista too). Most issues with windows are down to adding crap to the pc, the os as a whole is stable as anything, it's built on a server platform after all.

I'll give a perfect example, a neighbour bought a laptop, it ran fine and then she decided to add in a bluetooth dongle (it didn't have it built in) so added the drivers from the disc. It subsequently started crashing just after logging in, the issue had nothing to do with windows, it was down to the poorly written drivers supplied on the disc (I never use them as they're usually out of date), once the online drivers were used it was all fine.

The weekly updates are mainly for things like new security alerts, ms has to take an active approach to keeping the os as secure as possible as due to having the leading marketshare (it's the same in any field) theres more people who will try to attack it purely down to market penetration. Actually thinking about it most of it is for ie (and we all know thats rubbish) these days on my vista rigs

Now obviously we would love a virus free os but windows will never have that while it has 80%+ of the market, amd/intel and microsoft have even added in cpu code to try to limit virus and apart from the click to download type (ie for stupid users) it works really well.

Also you have to remember until os-x has all the business software and better gaming performance windows isn't going anywhere so the scum that write trojans and virus' are going to keep at it.
 
Hey as far as I'm concerned, Windows can keep the market share if that means my mac has less (if any significant amounts exist) viruses aimed at it. I've only heard good things about Windows 7 mind, maybe M$ are finally getting their act together?
 
Haha, Zune... born from the idea that having a Z in your name was almost as cool as starting it with a lower-case i.
 
Levi;43129 anti virus software on windows is expected these days said:
What if you dont wanna be a super geek and hope your not an idiot but havent run av software for 5 years and have never needed it? :s
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Then you have been born blessed with good luck and could Ihave the lottery numbers for the weekend please? ;)
 
openmind said:
Then you have been born blessed with good luck and could Ihave the lottery numbers for the weekend please? ;)
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what he said or you haven't got an internet connection :p
 
Typo said:
Now if they can only get the Zune to sell....

Zune....you may have to Google it.
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lol I loved that comment! Nice typo! Zune on the 360 is pretty decent tho, however I just got my iphone and it kicks ass all day long!
 
tim said:
of course they're worrying! their profits went down $20b this year!


and virus' are sitll an issue being as macs cant get em and pcs even with protection on em are flawed by the average user themself.
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That is untrue. Macs are vulnerable to virus', spyware and trojans etc... Its just that the malware isn't out there for them. Malware creators are more interested in developing for Windows because it has a bigger market share.

You're right in saying Macs are safer however I'm not sure how long they will remain safer for, Apples market share has been growing.
 
ralphsaunders said:
That is untrue. Macs are vulnerable to virus', spyware and trojans etc... Its just that the malware isn't out there for them. Malware creators are more interested in developing for Windows because it has a bigger market share.
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I think you're getting yourself a little muddled, malware (ie all the crappy pop ups etc) isn't a virus even though most anti virus programs now cover them.

I have not heard of a virus for mac (I have heard of proof of concept but not seen it) although there has been user installable malware.

I haven't heard of anything like a virus or malware on linux so the marketshare aspect is probably a large consideration for these types of coders/programmers.
 
apple never denied them being open to malware, but still, most malware is covered up if you dont pirate things which you should pay for ;)
 
as far as im concerned, apple havent released a statement about it so it doesnt exist.

so much of the internet is absolute ****e, just speculation or rumour after rumour after rumour, so i dont chose to take anything 100% certain.
 
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