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ARRIVALS

Well-Known Member
#1
Alright guys.

As mentioned in another thread, I need a printer for a rather upmarket brochure I'm currently designing. It's for a gym in London. Actually there are 2, one just off Park Lane and one in the middle of Mayfair. Clients include Peter Andre. Brochure is intended to be left in lobbys of all the big financial buildings in the City.

It's a 14 page A4 brochure including both covers.
Full colour.
Quantity unknown at this stage, but the client has asked that I use a printer that will give us a test print beforehand.
GSM also undecided, however we know we don't want a finish like other fitness magazines, 'Mens Fitness' for example. That being said, the pages won't be as thin and glossy as normal, nor will the cover. A thicker matte stock/finish will be required.

I realised some parts of the spec are abit vague at this point, and will update them when I can.

But like I said above, the client is looking for a printer that can offer a test print.

Cheers.
 
#2
hmmm let me think,

front cover any ideas on thickness am taking with it being quite high profile places these will be going to 300gsm cover 170-200gsm internal uncoated stock ?

I can't see a test print being a problem.

Iain
 
#3
Hi there,

I would be happy to quote for this brochure as this is an area where we specialise and our quality and service is second to none. If you would like to drop me a quick email, I will reply giving you options and costs.

Many thanks,
Kelly
 

Stationery Direct

Administrator
Staff member
#4
My first question which nobody has asked is how can you have 14 pages? It has to be 12pp or 16pp, secondly to run a wet proof litho will cost a fortune...does your client know this and have a decent budget for this upmarket finish required?
 

Stationery Direct

Administrator
Staff member
#7
And yea I did mention that but he's pretty set on it.
Yeah until he gets the price! (the wet proof alone would cost hundreds of squids)

When you know the exact volumes and spec update the thread and I will quote. 170gsm Silk inners and possibly a 300gsm matt laminated cover are probably the look he/she is after from what you have said. Maybe the best way is to get the budget available and how many he requires ideally and we will say what is possible for that budget.
 

ARRIVALS

Well-Known Member
#8
Yeah until he gets the price! (the wet proof alone would cost hundreds of squids)

When you know the exact volumes and spec update the thread and I will quote. 170gsm Silk inners and possibly a 300gsm matt laminated cover are probably the look he/she is after from what you have said. Maybe the best way is to get the budget available and how many he requires ideally and we will say what is possible for that budget.
Already explained that it'll cost a bit to get a test print done. But he's set on it and I guess he'll only go with someone who will offer a test print, regardless of what I say. Problem is, he won't give me a number until he sees a test print, so he's in a bit of a pickle. These sorts of clients really do annoy me.
 
#9
Happy to do a test print...

I will be a digital print, but it can be full finished with gloss or matt laminated cover. The client I am sure will be happy with the finish.

Neil
 

Stationery Direct

Administrator
Staff member
#10
Happy to do a test print...

I will be a digital print, but it can be full finished with gloss or matt laminated cover. The client I am sure will be happy with the finish.

Neil
...and if the customer wants a run of 10,000 after seeing the proof how will you run with a digital press? If you do have someone to outsource to litho how will your digital proof compare both stock and colour wise to your chosen printers final litho run?
 

ARRIVALS

Well-Known Member
#12
Out of curiosity, how much would a wet proof of an 16 page A4 brochure cost? The client recons he can get one done for £50 from somewhere. Probably somewhere shit.
 

Stationery Direct

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Staff member
#15
Out of curiosity, how much would a wet proof of an 16 page A4 brochure cost? The client recons he can get one done for £50 from somewhere. Probably somewhere shit.
If you want a litho run completely finished proof to the spec I mentioned above, which is a VERY expensive way of proofing a job we come in at £690, a cheaper alternative would be an Epsom colour proof which are colour correct to our presses in 4 colour and this would cost £40 (not laminated)
 

Katedesign

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#16
When you think about it from a printers viewpoint; he has to make the plates, set up the machine, run up some sheets, print enough to get the image right... then take the job off the press. Apart from a bit of time and a bit of paper (!!) he's printed the job. And the job might change - it's always then that the client decides to change a picture or a word...

If your client wants to see colour correctness then an Epsom colour proof should suffice.

And to see a completed mock-up go digital (perhaps not with lamination or spot-uv - though the Xerox 1000 (and I think a Canon) can do a spot UV digitally.
 

Katedesign

Well-Known Member
#17
...and if the customer wants a run of 10,000 after seeing the proof how will you run with a digital press? If you do have someone to outsource to litho how will your digital proof compare both stock and colour wise to your chosen printers final litho run?
We once had to reprint a job litho after we had printed it digitally... and we had had to match the digital job to a previous digital job not produced by us!

It can be done with the right equipment! I still use the samples as evidence of the high quality you can achieve with good digital. Most people, including a few in the 'trade', couldn't tell the difference.
 
#18
...and if the customer wants a run of 10,000 after seeing the proof how will you run with a digital press? If you do have someone to outsource to litho how will your digital proof compare both stock and colour wise to your chosen printers final litho run?
Boss Hog, I am actually in the same building as litho printers, and we are constantly using this process. All the stocks I use in my digital press are litho stocks, which are the exactly the same stocks as the litho boys use.

And they have never had a problem yet matching the colours.

Neil