Ill give a run down of the situation. I'm doing a logo design for free for some people and I'm really struggling and they aren't actually telling me what they want so I've been drawing basic designs to try and just get an idea but they're just saying they dont really feel it but they dont know what they want (other than one person asking where's the "animation"). Now I dont have a lot of free time and I'm not the best at graphic illustrations like this (I've only really used it for painting). One of them yesterday made a comment and I tried not to take it to heart but I felt pretty insulted as someone who love to do art and has been trying to teach themselves graphic design for a few months (before I had just been using traditional media) which I've been finding a bit challenging but I've still put effort into my learning. Now I just want to give them a bit of a reality check about the amount of work they're expecting me to do for free, like it's not easy. So how much would you generally charge for a fairly detailed logo (they've also never specified a size btw)?