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royalties on a book cover

Discussion in 'Logo Design & Brand Identity Forum:' started by mick_mccabe, May 23, 2011.

  1. mick_mccabe

    mick_mccabe Member

    Ive been asked to design a front, spine and back cover of a book. i was wondering if anyone can help me out, i know u can claim roylaties on album covers but do the same apply to book covers aswell?
  2. wac

    wac Senior Member

    This is just speculation but I assume royalties would be subjective to a contract. The trouble with that is there's probably no shortage of designers who would be happy with a straight fee.
  3. DWildish

    DWildish Member

  4. mrp2049

    mrp2049 Senior Member

    That sort of thing can be argued in the contract.

    The way I see it is you have 2 options:

    1. Take a smaller payment in lew of royalties per sale.

    2. Get paid and run.

    I've done both of shirt designs and let me tell you, unless you have complete faith in the person selling the product and their ability to get you the money they owe you, take the money and run.
  5. Thewholehogg

    Thewholehogg Active Member

    I agree with Mr P...take the cash and leave it.
  6. mrp2049

    mrp2049 Senior Member

    Don't get me wrong it can work out badly for you sometimes.

    A friend of mine did a shirt design and got paid £100 for it, the people in question have now sold somewhere in the region of 500 shirts at £8, so yeah, he probably got the short straw, but at the time, he couldn't have forseen the success of the design.

    Unless you are working for a major/massive client that can guarantee (and I mean ironclad) sales, you are entering a crap shoot of problems, involving proof of sales, how and when royalties will be paid...

    As designers we have heard the exposure line enough, whilst this is tagged with financial remuneration, it is still difficult to judge.

    If the client is offering a decent amount for the job and royalties, you would be a moron to say no. If they are offering you a pittance and the promise of money on sales, quote a price, don't move on it, do your thing and then hope that they come back to you when they next need artwork and you can gauge the situation better. Also, don't push for a royalty bonus if you are being paid a decent amount, it could easily put someone off.

    I've done jobs for friends (and I mean close friends who I trust), where I have said, get everything made, sell some things and then pay me. But that is just me being nice.
  7. goathead

    goathead Member

    T-shirt design for £100 bloody hell i'm impressed! I was recently pitching against people who'd (according to the client) do them for £20 a pop.

    But yes, you say the same as I was going to say really, I've been offered the choice to bill on supplied piece or in lieu of royalties before and I always go down the route of take the money upfront.

    But then again I don't have any faith in anything I produce :)
  8. mrp2049

    mrp2049 Senior Member

    I dread to think what you would get for £20! I think £100 is cheap!
  9. Romack

    Romack Senior Member

    I reckon a studenty type bod with nothing better to do than illustrate a quirky picture with a trendy slogan inbetween watching Jeremy Kyle and Deal or No Deal would charge £20.

    I don't watch either so i'd prob charge £30 ;)
  10. mrp2049

    mrp2049 Senior Member

    And it would take you less time because you weren't distracted by Edmunds!
  11. goathead

    goathead Member

    I reckon a studenty type bod with nothing better to do than illustrate a quirky picture with a trendy slogan inbetween watching Jeremy Kyle and Deal or No Deal would charge £20.

    Apparently it was against big design farms in eastern europe, you know the sort who bash out Primark t-shirts...I know have an image of designers in Battery cages dropping eggs
  12. mrp2049

    mrp2049 Senior Member

    Battery designers working on old G3 imacs....
  13. Jimlad

    Jimlad Well-Known Member

    Or Windows 98
  14. mrp2049

    mrp2049 Senior Member

    Anything that ran 98 is probably one fire by now!
  15. Jimlad

    Jimlad Well-Known Member

    Bring back Windows 3.1 I say. Launched from DOS6, of course. Ah memories.
  16. goathead

    goathead Member

    I reinstalled OS9 on one of my old G4's the other for ****s and giggles, I had no use for it but it was fun for a little while.

    It's back in the attic now.

    Ooh this forum censors yourself!
  17. Thewholehogg

    Thewholehogg Active Member

    I have an OS8 system disk here...makes a lovely coaster it does.
  18. mrp2049

    mrp2049 Senior Member

    My friend uses a mac cube as a comically nerdy music player.
  19. goathead

    goathead Member

    I could possibly make a hideous piece of furniture...

  20. mrp2049

    mrp2049 Senior Member

    [ame=]YouTube - ‪Robocop - I'd Buy That For a Dollar‬‏[/ame]

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