Yep I think what I have now is a pretty good logo and I wouldn't have been able to get to this without your help and encouragement.
The first logo design I posted here was a massive improvement on my first idea that started with a caterpillar and butterfly and was far to complicated.
One of the problems I face is that I don't know anyone that knows anything about design, so no matter what I show them they say 'yeah that looks good' or whatever. I am not able to be objective enough, I know it is what it is so whenever I look at it, I see what it's meant to be...others don't know what it is so have a different perspective on the image.
I have enjoyed the challenge but it's not something I will advertise as my main area of business
I've spent several weeks just trying to get this to look as good as I can get it and there's very little to it, where as if I was to spend the same time on a website, it would be quite a large and complicated website and I would have no problem charging a good fee for the work.
Logo Design - Not to be underestimated...
Sparky, you're right about DESIGNS being DESIGN, something I'd overlooked and then didn't pay attention to it (more concerned over the graphic image) I'm not really able to reduce the size of the text any more than I have now without major letter spacing and it looking wrong and think that the overall balance of the logo is good as is.
I've decided to use the negative space in the flame as a feature and not try to make the flame look more flame like with colour (experimented with little success) but just to add the fire-like glow to the hand.
Thanks