Right I put this on another thread but it so should have its own as I am curious to see if website development has come so far that this is now classed as somewhat of a norm. I had this conversation today at work with, and his job title is, a web developer who was having FTP access problems: Me: Hi is Tom there? Tom: Speaking Me: Hi Tom I understand you are having some problems accessing the FTP? Tom: Yeah entered the username and password but it says they are incorrect. Me: Okay what are they are I'll check them Tom: <Gives details> Me: Strange they are correct, what host are you trying to connect to? Tom: Don't know Me: Okay well in the host section you need to enter <Give him IP address> Tom: Is this on the website as I can't see it? Me: What website? Tom: Yours Me: Sorry what? Tom: Do I enter these on your websites login screen? Me: No you need to enter them into a FTP client. Tom: O okay Me: Have used an FTP client before? Tom: No After this I then had to explain what a FTP client was and how to use it as he hadn't used one before, but he must have put websites together by clicking the CMS button in the CPanel and then using the CMS install area to install templates, I guess. Now my question is, is this guy a web developer? He's definatly not a designer, so does developer cover him? I hate to say this but I think technically it may do as he can develop one, clearly I don't think he can code one, but he can add extentions and stuff. So is this a modern web developer? Its interesting when you think about it.