hi i happened across this forum via google and have spent a while reading the forum but thought i could perhaps pick your brains as there seems to be a lot of collective expertise i'm looking to get some business cards printed, and think something based on a frosted transparent plastic card is best BUT the problem is working out where to get them designed/printed the first problem is the design of them - some places offer "design" for "£20" - "£30" (which i assume merely includes adding text to templates), others have a higher than normal price that encorporates a design element (but it's difficult to tell from the websites which of the samples they display online are of their work and which are merely cards they've printed but have been designed elsewhere). I don't have any logo or anything but suspect i'd need some creative input with regards to the card. Keeping the costs as low as possible is imperative (although as i'm sure you all realise there's no point getting terrible cards made as they'll hopefully generate business), but any recommendations would be great: are any of these 'design services' by the printers worthwhile, or do i really need to use a separate designer to ensure decent results? And second, with regards to the design, i have a couple of vague ideas myself but there's little point in me cobbling together a poor effort. I know it seems to go against everything posted here but crowdspring seems quite compelling as i'd then get many different ideas but i just don't know. thanks for taking the time to read this, and thanks in advance for any pointers.