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Best 'Windows' Laptop for Graphic Design?

Discussion in 'General Software & Hardware Forum:' started by PriyeshDesign, Apr 9, 2015.

  1. PriyeshDesign

    PriyeshDesign Member

    If you were going to invest in a Windows laptop for graphic design, what would it be?
    (Something that is reliable, future-proof and with good performance)

    Budget: Below £1000
     
  2. hankscorpio

    hankscorpio Moderator Staff Member

    What are you looking to do? Video, large format, books?

    I can post some links to computers tomorrow. But take a look at pc specialist.
     
  3. PriyeshDesign

    PriyeshDesign Member

    Primarily the usual branding, marketing and website work. However I may jump into After Effects to create basic animated GIFs, but nothing complex like a full-blown motion graphics sequence.
     
  4. @GCarlD

    @GCarlD Well-Known Member

    After growing up with and being primarily a Windows PC user prior to 2014, I learnt that this does not exist when it comes to Windows OS.

    If you really want 'Something that is reliable, future-proof and with good performance' A Mac is what you need. If you are an everyday computer user, like I'm sure we all are, your Windows Laptop will start off fantastic, be super quick and work like a dream, but after the first year you will clearly notice it is no longer the super computer it once was.

    I bought my first Mac 15 months (spent just over a grand) and honestly, it still works just like I bought it yesterday. The only reason I am not as impressed with it's speed and efficiency, is because I have caught up with it, and i'm now used to doing everything at speed.

    Why does it have to be a Windows laptop? But PC specialist is a good shout if you know what you want and want to build something custom made.
     
  5. hankscorpio

    hankscorpio Moderator Staff Member

    I'm going to say here something that is really controversial. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a PC.

    I had an excellent PC in my last job and I was there for 9 years working on PCs. I am now working on a Mac and I've to reboot the damn thing at least twice a day. That's not to say anything good about Mac vs PC - it comes down to hardware.

    I don't particularly like the Mac OS, I prefer Windows OS, but that's operating system and if that's your preference then I have business telling you what type of cheese you like. Personally, I find Ubuntu a lovely operating system, but that's another story.

    Adobe CC works multi-platform and there's no big swing over Windows vs Mac - it's down to preference.


    My personal gripe with Macs is that they're overpriced for what they are. It's the same processor, same ram, same graphics card, it's just a different OS.



    This was on PC specialist.

    Fast processor for crunching high quality graphics, large graphics and things like that.

    8gb RAM -should be fine. It's cheap enough to upgrade anyway.

    1gb Video/Graphics RAM (perfectly fine, you only need to move to 2gb for high intensity gaming etc., not even video editing uses the graphics card, it uses RAM, so you'd need to up the RAM if you wanted to edit videos too - this also applies to large graphics, like if you're working on billboard sized posters, or building wraps things like that).

    SSD - Provides faster boot times, and for saving larger files it would be super quick.

    It comes to £706 after VAT.

    I guarantee if you were to get that spec in a Mac it would cost £2500 (and i haven't looked that up)
     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2015
  6. hankscorpio

    hankscorpio Moderator Staff Member

    Granted that's a desktop and doesn't come with a Monitor.
     
  7. PriyeshDesign

    PriyeshDesign Member

    To some extent, I agree with you that Mac provides a suitable option. However as hankscorpio mentioned the Mac computers are overpriced for what they are and the choice of operating systems comes down to hardware. I currently have an iMac which is 5 years old and it was expense, and the hardware is really outdated. A Windows laptop is the better option for me and meets my budget. Having said that, if I had no budget I would purchase the top spec MacBook Pro 15 Retina.
     
  8. hankscorpio

    hankscorpio Moderator Staff Member

    Desktop or Laptop you're after?
     
  9. PriyeshDesign

    PriyeshDesign Member

    Thank you hankscorpio, I'll keep your spec in mind. However I have noticed that most laptops on PC Specialist website has a 'matte' screen display - I would rather have a gloss screen display.
     
  10. PriyeshDesign

    PriyeshDesign Member

    Laptop!
    I'll purchase an IPS monitor near to the time.
     
  11. hankscorpio

    hankscorpio Moderator Staff Member

    Using the Apple mentioned (which is listed as £1999 on Apple UK) I've put together this on PC Specialist - £912

    Cosmos Series: 15.6" Matte Full HD IPS LED Widescreen (1920x1080)

    Processor (CPU)
    Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Mobile Processor i7-4710MQ (2.50GHz) 6MB

    Memory (RAM)
    16GB KINGSTON HYPER-X IMPACT 1600MHz SODIMM DDR3 (2 x 8GB)

    Graphics Card
    NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 850M - 2.0GB DDR3 Video RAM - DirectX® 11

    Memory - Hard Disk
    250GB Samsung 850 EVO SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (upto 540MB/sR | 520MB/sW)

    DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
    8x SATA DVD±R/RW/Dual Layer (+ 24x CD-RW)

    Memory Card Reader
    Internal 9 in 1 Card Reader (MMC/RSMMC/SD: Mini, XC & HC/MS: Pro & Duo)

    Thermal Paste
    ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND (£9)

    Sound Card
    Intel 2 Channel High Definition Audio + MIC/Headphone Jack

    Bluetooth & Wireless
    GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS 802.11N CARD + BT 3.0 (RTL8188CEBT)

    USB Options
    3 x USB 3.0 PORTS + 1 x USB 2.0 PORT AS STANDARD

    Battery
    Cosmos Series 6 Cell Lithium Ion Battery (48.84WH)
    Probably should go 9 cell... hmmm

    Power Lead & Adaptor
    1 x UK Power Lead & 120W AC Adaptor


    Operating System
    Genuine Windows 8.1 Professional 64 Bit - inc DVD & Licence (£109)




    Anti-Virus
    NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE


    Notebook Mouse
    INTEGRATED 2 BUTTON TOUCHPAD MOUSE


    Webcam
    INTEGRATED 2.0 MEGAPIXEL WEBCAM


    Warranty
    3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)


    Delivery
    2 - 3 DAY DELIVERY TO REPUBLIC OF IRELAND (£19)


    Build Time
    Standard Build - Approximately 6 to 8 working days
     
  12. @GCarlD

    @GCarlD Well-Known Member

    Oh ok that's understandable.

    Now you've explained that it is probably not worth mentioning but, my mac has better spec (double the RAM for example) than that of those PC Specialist posted, and I didn't spend anywhere near £2000, I couldn't afford to, thats car money lol. Yes iOS are over priced in comparison to Windows, back in the day it used to be the other way round! In a way, with that overpricing you are paying for 'reliability, future-proof and superb performance.'

    PS. Windows 8 is absolutely dreadful. It is only bearable with touch screens, to which it was made for I might add.
     
  13. hankscorpio

    hankscorpio Moderator Staff Member


    That's your opinion. With Windows 8 on desktop you can revert to the "Old Way" and not use the new OS large buttons. It takes getting used to, but it's not dreadful.

    If this was 15 years ago I'd agree with you on Macs being ideal for graphic design, with no other choice. PCs back then were very generic and sold to the office generation needing word processing and excel sheets, and databases.

    In the last 10 years PCs have come on leaps and bounds in terms of quality and build. Of course there are unreputable companies putting out any old crap for a very expensive price.

    I know PC Specialist very well and they come highly recommended with very good builds.

    You can build a PC Laptop for a lot less money with superior parts than a Mac, even with Windows 7 if you prefer over 8 or Windows 10 (to be announced).


    =======================
    puts on mod hat
    Enough of Mac vs PC Debate.

    OP wants PC
    =======================

    You're going to need a good processor - don't skimp on that as it increases longevity.

    RAM - go with 8 to keep costs down, RAM can be added at a later date, and 8 is enough for most tasks, except large photographic work or video editing, then upgrade to 16 or even 32.

    Graphics Card - you don't need anything exceptional for what you're doing - again 1gb video ram is more than enough. 2gb video ram is a sales gimmick, not even video editing requires 2gb - it requires more RAM.

    Hope that helps
     
  14. PriyeshDesign

    PriyeshDesign Member

    Thanks again hankscorpio.

    --

    Windows 8 is what you make out of it. At first I wasn't a big fan, particularly coming from a heavy Mac user but I tweaked it to function like Windows 7.

    We can debate about "Mac vs PC" based on graphic design on another topic.
     
  15. @GCarlD

    @GCarlD Well-Known Member

    A Mac vs PC debate would be a frivolous topic. This wasn't a Mac vs PC debate on my part, I was just giving my two cents, lending my experience, facts, and opinions, which is what forums are all about. As I said, your explanation of 'if you had the budget you'd get a MacBook Pro' is perfectly understandable. It is only logical to try and buy the best you can get for your buck. The fact that most people tweak Windows 8 to function like Windows 7 says it all. My whole thing was just me commenting on your requirements; I have just never experienced or met anyone who can honestly say that after a year or so that their Windows laptop is still as 'reliable, future-proof and performing as well as it was 12 months ago that's all. There are several reasons for this that I obviously won't get into.

    That's the last thing I will say on this matter.

    Either way, you won't go wrong with PC Specialist if you want to build something custom made, and your budget will get you everything you need with them.

    Now this thread has come to it's conclusion, I'm off to poke my nose in another thread. *Walks out & Closes door (thread) behind him* :icon_smile:
     
  16. hankscorpio

    hankscorpio Moderator Staff Member

    Grand just didn't want it spiralling in that direction.

    You've just the first person then with a laptop that has lasted nine years and runs Photoshop InDesign and illustrator daily for production work.

    funny the Mac I also work on crashes at least twice a day. And I have literally had to rebuild Macs use disk utility frequently and loads of other things I don't have to do on my laptop.

    It's my experience from 1998 to today. Well about 2005 my opinion on Macs changed.
     

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