Well, that sucksthe image of the gun is copyright for starters, you can't just take images from the internet and use them in a campaign that could potentially be global.
I agree, after some other critiques, it didn't seem to work how I intendedThe concept is terrible
Have you seen some of the anti-smoking PSA's online? I mean, those are pretty graphic.it would never be allowed to be published due to the graphic nature
Where can I see these standards? Is there some sort of document?the advertising standards globally would have a nightmare with this one.
Yea, some people have told me that already. It was a half assed attempt to draw the viewer in...didn't seem to work.The text at the top is too light.
I literally took it from the website itself and it appeared on past submissions, so... also, the site said they had some sort of prompt list which I couldn't find so I just winged it. I emailed them, so hopefully I can get the 'list' of info they want participants to work from.It's a libelous statement.
Can't argue with you there. I'm assuming you're a professional in the industry...but, like I said, I was winging it. I am not pretending this to be a masterpiece. It was truly a half-assed effort just to do something to keep awake.It's just really bad, from image sourcing, to message, to context, to execution.
I agree. That's why I started a new one, a new idea...as for image sourcing, unfortunately the images I need will have to be taken from the internet and tweaked...Personally, I'd put far more effort into the contest than the prize money is worth.
I'm sure you're probably right about this. But personally, I have nothing to lose. For me this is just a practice with a monetary incentive. If I lose, I lose, nothing changes for me. But I can understand from a professional perspective, this is not worth the time or effort. I'm sure you make enough money for this to be a legitimate concern/complaint...This is what makes contests bad.
1000s of entries, of hundreds of hours of work.
Pick the best entry and pay a paltry sum.
In reality - going by current rates - a campaign like this would run a bill upwards of €10k or more.
And they are offering a fraction of that - to get 100s of designers to spend hours upon hours of work for a 'chance to win'.
There's only one winner - the people running the contest.
It dilutes the industry in a race to the bottom.I'm sure you make enough money for this to be a legitimate concern/complaint...
I'm going to read this in a few.Here's a real life case to give you an idea what I'm talking about
You have to expect this in the system we live in. Everything is being diluted to the lowest common denominator. Every industry, every profession. It isn't going to get better.It dilutes the industry in a race to the bottom.
I'm definitely curious to read about those concerns along with some elaboration from that point of view from an insider perspective.As I said I have concerns from a global advertising point of view.
I figured as much, but, have you seen the submissions for this particular contest? I doubt they're making the rounds to have any impact in people's minds against big tobacco. I also feel bad for someone going into this with the sole intention of winning $2,000. Personally, I wanted to make some obscene shock image (HAH), but it doesn't seem I succeeded in that...yet.But these contests drive amateur designers to contests that they have 0 chance of winning.
And the only one that wins is the competition organisers.
I think I'de be pretty upset as a professional with this reality. I'm hoping to get there. "Such a serious issue" lol I doubt the mass populace actually even cares.Essentially getting a free campaign - even though the rewards stack up to 10k - it's extremely low for such a serious issue.
I'd be expecting at least 10x that.
Here's a real life case to give you an idea what I'm talking about
The USI’s proposal for the Irish Water logo shows how it values the design profession in Ireland – and represents a race to the bottom philosophy that undercuts true worth of creative work, write students Emma Grattan and Derek Doyle.www.thejournal.ie
Damn, son...that's kind of a disconcerting sentiment.Last night, the Union of Students in Ireland (USI) said that Irish Water could have saved some of the €20,000 spent on its logo and related branding by using a “cost effective micro-job website to pay an online seller to create a logo” instead of employing professional graphic designers to do the job.
Everyone, especially large corporations, want the cheapest bang for their buck. This is painful to read. Sheesh. I can't imagine the kind of slap to the face this is for you as a professional, imagine me, some guy strolling in, reading that and just turning right around and being like, "yea, this party is over."instead of employing professional graphic designers to do the job.
Correction: this party's been over. ::Sigh::Jan 28th 2014, 4:23 PM
Bruuuuuh. Where'd they go? Some generic designer on <<removed>>? $<<removed>>!?The USI contacted such a website, which created an ‘Irish Water’ logo at a cost $5.
That's heavy.Our colleagues have spent four to five years of full-time study to reach the professional standard required for best practice in visual communication today. We are educated in the process and value of branding and identity. Considering USI “is the sole national representative organisation for over 250,000 students”, can we ask why do you not represent us—instead choosing to undermine the profession for which we are now studying?
This is the common symptom with almost everyone. A lack of familiarity with the process.It not only demonstrates a lack of familiarity on your part as to what is involved in the process of design
I feel like if you raised this argument here in the States, people would just laugh at you (seriously). This is arguing for dignity and recognition of hard work, which are valid arguments but, as they say here (and I'm sure everywhere) "money talks, bullshit walks." It's sad because it really puts serious and dedicated creatives at a severe disadvantage in favor of fleeting tik tok-esque hacks.Your proposal of last night threatens to belittle our degree and our profession, and has the very real and damaging effect of sabotaging our worth.
"Save money." I mean, it is also naive to not realize how corporate society works in the 2000's (not that I agree with it but, you know, it's a harsh reality). Even I as a novice (if that), have to compete with millions of Indians on <<removed>> selling their work for $5 to $10. And they all look like the same generic polished style.what was the motive behind this proposal?
It's just about not paying you thousands and paying a cheap designer $5 bucks.From our point of view, it is an unintelligible attempt to exercise expertise in a professional field in which you are not educated. Furthermore, it appears to be nothing more than a weak attempt for you to gain popularity in social media.
I can imagine the execs at Irish Water laughing at this. Maybe it's my corrupt American perspective but, I am sure here, Poland Spring execs would laugh at graphic designers "demanding" and explanation for why they did whatever to save money.We demand to know why you acted as you did, and to what end? More importantly, we would like to know why the Union of Students in Ireland does not value our degree?
Did this actually do anything?We are taking further action in forwarding this message publicly, as we believe that this is a dangerous and damaging attitude from the people who are supposed to be representing our education.
Oh, an apology, that's nice. The public relations team was probably groaning while having to write this out.PLEASE NOTE: Following the publishing of this open letter, the USI met with Emma Grattan and Derek Doyle to discuss the issues raised. The union has released the following apology to Irish designers
This is true. How do you make it better though? That's pretty idealistic (not that that's a bad thing).It's up to us to make it better.
Nothing gets fixed by itself.
I think this is the goal for any professional. I'm sure those clients exist. But more often than not, it's bottom dwellers everywhere, from entrepreneurs to established business people. I suppose it's a matter of talking to them and seeing where they stand when the issue of payment comes up. That's where the issues begin, Everyone expecting work for free in a business setting.I'm more into finding the clients that value their business and also value mine.
pretty much.At the end of the day if you value your industry at £10 then you probably don't value my industry.