Got word from a friend yesterday that the print firm he works for in Stafford is ceasing trading as of next week. It's a real shame as many of the staff have been with the company for nearly 30 years.
I have viewed the assets of quite a number and talked to former staff / directors. Always seems to be over optimistic forecasting, overspend on finance, absence of marketing, lack of flexibility to trends, poorly costed projects and complacency.
I never want to be there - we question most that we do every day.
.......And speaking to a friend still with a good print business recently he said that he was certain that few, if any, printers were making money....
I wasn't really thinking of Internet businesses, I meant ordinary printing firms in China or Korea or wherever. I have a book project up my sleeve, so I've been looking around a bit at this, and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have printing done in Europe (much further west than Romania, at least), Asia's much cheaper, for the moment. I'm not soft in the head, though, I wouldn't dream of taking the claims on a website on trust, either.But there are too many stories about the horrors of using an internet printer (especially abroad).
I'm not arguing with that, they're tradesmen with skills for which I have the utmost respect (even if graphic designers prefer to be considered 'professionals', my wife was a typesetter when she started out). I'm saying printers' firms as businesses don't add the same value that they used to, the companies, not the workers. For example, not long ago, large-format printers used to cost five or six-figure sums, and plotters were simply astronomical in price, but now you can buy a perfectly good, new A2 (approx. poster-sized) printer for under a thou, so anyone can do it, it doesn't need financial muscle or a credit line, or a business plan or even an accountant. A small architect's studio, for example, would have outsourced most of its print jobs ten years ago, probably doesn't need to now and if it still does, does it for a quarter of the price, at a guess.Printers do add value as do graphic designers.
I'm going to lose popularity points here, but this is a very thin argument, sorry, and I think you'd be hard-pushed to find a single respected economist in agreement. For one thing, I don't see why tomato producers in Norfolk are any more deserving of my hard-earned cash than those in Morocco, on the contrary. For another, economics doesn't work like that - the business of a business is to make money for its shareholders, and if a UK company needed software, say, it would be negligent if it didn't at least consider buying it in India. If you want a strong UK economy, you are not doing it any favours by artificially supporting its weak points, not even for all the right reasons. If you want to support the UK economy, I dunno: buy things Brits are good at, like pop music or beer. And do, please, continue to use your local printer's for all the advantages it offers you, like personal service and prompt deliveries, at least until your sums make you decide otherwise.As a nation we are already losing jobs abroad in vast numbers and there are fewer job opportunities here. We should be supporting UK businesses.
For one thing, I don't see why tomato producers in Norfolk are any more deserving of my hard-earned cash than those in Morocco, on the contrary. For another, economics doesn't work like that - the business of a business is to make money for its shareholders, and if a UK company needed software, say, it would be negligent if it didn't at least consider buying it in India. If you want a strong UK economy, you are not doing it any favours by artificially supporting its weak points, not even for all the right reasons. If you want to support the UK economy, I dunno: buy things Brits are good at, like pop music or beer.
It could, and it could mean you got better value for money. Seeing as how you've introduced the wine analogy, there are an awful lot of champagne-style wines in the world (not just my own favourite Spanish cava) which are at least as good as French champagnes, and, not being French, are cheaper.Firstly you're confusing cheap with better. Just because a bottle of Lambrini costs less than a bottle of Moet, it doesn't mean you're getting good value.
We are talking about business here, aren't we? That means contracts, T&C, and being able to talk to people. The business language of India is English. And in any contract, if they don't fulfill, you don't pay.Secondly, What if something goes wrong with whatever it is you've bought from India or it arrives and the pages are upside down and back to front? You don't speak which ever one of the 100 odd languages so you cant tell them its wrong.
Do you think these people run around in loincloths? We're talking about university graduates, not peasants. Modern Indians are better educated than most Europeans.They don't speak or read English so how we're they to know its wrong?
Possibly a valid grudge. A Greenpeace thread might be in order.On top of this, most of these foreign print shops don't use sustainable sources for their stock and whilst that doesn't bother you now, it probably will do when they've cut all the trees down.
And I wouldn't really care, which I realize is not going to be a popular stance on this forum. Look, apart from everything else I have done professionally in my life, I've been a guitarist (not a very good one). And I've heard an awful lot of whining about Korean guitar makers and the like, and I say, sod you. If a Korean guitar maker can produce something European school-kids can use, good for it. And if UK print firms and industries can't stay in business, they don't deserve to.If everybody decided to buy everything abroad, all UK print firms and industries would go out of business.
Ah, now you're talking smart (though I always thought Carling was Danish, and I have no idea what Jedward is, sorry). But I agree, what I have been saying so far is related with the situation we have had for the last few years, and it's likely to change in the immediate future as India and China, etc. become richer. Even so, I see no reason for anyone to Buy British - it was pretty pathetic as a slogan in the sixties, it would be even more pathetic in the twenty-first century.What happens when the Indians or the Chinese decide they're going to quadruple their pricing because there's no competition? At the same time in an attempt to regain lost revenue, the government adopts an Australian style system of import tax effectively doubling the cost of everything imported into the country. You've f**ked the country but its ok because we've got Carling and Jedward!
If industry in the UK closes down, millions of people loose their jobs, the UK has nothing to export and so doesn't earn any money. It's credit rating drops and it cant borrow any money. The pound becomes worthless meaning we can't actually afford to buy the cheap stuff from India or China & we'd get chucked out of the EU for failing to meet our financial commitments. The country would turn into the London riots 24/7 and it would become near on impossible for you to emigrate and leave the mess you're 'buy cheap attitude' has created because nobody would sign the papers to let the English in to f**k their country up.
British industry did close down, mostly due to Margaret Thatcher. The mines, the shipyards, the car factories, the textile industry, all gone. The UK is now a service economy, which includes printing.If industry in the UK closes down
That is so hugely, gratuitously offensive, I almost find it difficult not to be as ill-mannered as you in reply. It shows an immense ignorance and lack of respect for other cultures, and certainly reflects no credit on either your world-view or your intellectual level. I would take it as a compliment from someone as unendowed with tolerance or intelligence if you would tell me to sod off.As for running round in loin cloths they can wear what the hell they like but at the end of the day if you wipe your backside with your hand & eat with your fingers, you're a primitive society!
As for running round in loin cloths they can wear what the hell they like but at the end of the day if you wipe your backside with your hand & eat with your fingers, you're a primitive society!
No disrespect (well perhaps a little in view of that last paragraph) but extrapolating the collapse of western civilization from the evidence of a few print shops going to the wall in global hard times is a bit extreme, no?