I HATE seeing ads like these. :(

scotty

scotty

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£8 per hour (80p over minimum wage) for a skill set like they're asking + "strong leadership skills".
Obviously not looking for a grad.

Seeing ads like these really boils my piss! :(
(Been waiting to use that phrase) ;)

http://www.indeed.co.uk/viewjob?cmp...e&jk=b3b890b0568f2fb9&q=designer,+illustrator

Graphic Designer & Creative
WearAll.com - Nottingham NG5
£8 an hour
You will be working as part of a small e-commerce team, with the responsibility of being the senior graphic designer and creative. Based at our office in Nottingham, you will offer creative lead outside of your core role in all areas of the business and manage the implementation of campaign briefs. As a graphic designer you will be responsible for the delivery of high quality imagery on our website and across our social & email platforms.

Responsibilities include, but are not limited to:

  • Create bespoke banner imagery ready for use on our social media and email platforms.
  • Retouch fashion and still life e-commerce imagery for the website to the required standard and time frame.
  • Conceptualise banner design daily based on campaigns, trends and competitors.
  • Provide quality control for all e-commerce images before they are ready to go live online.
  • Managing your workload to meet daily targets.
  • On occasion assist with the retouching of product imagery alongside the Studio team.
Key Skills required:

  • Strong Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator and Indesign skills
  • A positive team player with strong leadership skills
  • Creative thinker with the ability to think outside the box
  • Self-motivated, proactive, ambitious and results driven
  • Able to work self-sufficiently
  • Excellent attention to detail and new trends in design
  • Excellent time management and organisational skills
  • An interest in fast fashion would be ideal but not essential
  • Knowledge working with HTML and CSS (beneficial but not essential)
  • Experience of social media channels
  • Able to communicate effectively at all levels
*Hours 37.5 Hours per week, Monday to Friday

*£8 per hour

*Role based in Nottingham

Job Type: Full-time
 
I also generally also dislike job ads where they list skills required as everything plus the kitchen sink. They expect the designer to be great at everything, rather than hiring 2/3 designers of specialist areas. I understand they would rather have to pay 1 wage than a couple of different designers wages, but in the long run it would be far more productive and beneficial to any company, as no designer is equally great at everything; we all have our strengths and weaknesses.
 
Agree Carl. :(

Saw this one too.

http://www.pentagonplay.co.uk/pentagon-careers/playground-visualiser-designer-manchester

Described as an "apprenticeship" @£5.50 per hour (up to 16k for a grad)
Asking for a"play design guru" also "Teaching/educational experience would be a bonus".

From an "Apprentice"? o_O


Playground Visualiser (and Designer)
Posted on 01 November 2016 | Alderley Edge (Manchester)
Our Northern office is looking for our next playground visualiser, a key part of our team who communicates our sales team's designs to our customers, delivering visually stunning presentations and helping us win work. You'll be a key person in the process of delivering a playground, taking the sales' teams costed and specified proposal and design, helping to make it work and selling it visually. You'll be a play design guru, someone the sales team can depend on for help and inspiration, who will ensure all of our playgrounds are designed the best they can be. The role would particularly suit a recent graduate of a design related course, but is also open to applicants wishing to take on the role as part of an apprenticeship scheme.

Download and fill out the application form at the bottom of the page, then email the completed form to [email protected] along with your CV and examples of your work if you have any (a link to an online portfolio or website is fine) by 1st December 2016. Please include the position applied for in the subject field of your email.



Experience/education


  • Ideally a design degree or experience, but related education/experience considered

  • Ability to draw and communicate ideas and designs visually

  • Experience working with plans and designs

  • 3D modeling and rendering ability (we use Vectorworks as a complete 2D/3D solution but have designers from Autocad, Sketchup, Cinema 4D and Solidworks backgrounds)

  • Teaching/educational experience would be a bonus

  • Familiarity with Adobe Illustrator, InDesign, and Photoshop


Qualities


  • Great communicator

  • Fantastic listener

  • Keen time-manager

  • Deadlines are a cinch

  • Self-motivated

  • Driven

  • Attention to detail is second nature

  • Team player and compassionate

  • Practically-minded

  • Technically-minded and quick on computers

  • Has a sense of style and automatically knows what looks good

  • Embodies a healthy lifestyle and enthusiasm for play!


Task/responsibilities


  • To interpret hand-drawn plans and re-draw them digitally, beautifully

  • Model existing school buildings/playgrounds simply in 3D to create context

  • To model/compose and render playground designs (stylised and quick rather than photo-realistic)

  • Prepare stunning presentation on time, to deadlines

  • Assist with the design of playgrounds


Job Details


  • Job Title: Playground Visualiser

  • Contract Type: Full-time, permanent

  • Place of Work: SK11 9AP

  • Salary: £5.50 per hour for an apprentice, 16k + for graduate applicants

  • Holiday Entitlement: 20 days per annum plus bank holidays (with a Christmas shutdown bonus scheme)

  • Hours per Week: 37.5 hours

  • Start Date: ASAP
 
This actually doesn't surprise me, the fashion industry as a whole is notorious for low wages and not paying interns, so it figures that this would bleed into other areas too. I actually went to speak to a pretty well-known sports retailer a while back about working on some projects for them and one of the first things they asked was if I would drop my rates to match what they were paying other freelancers. The phrase they used was "introductory discount". This was before they'd even asked to see my work.

I also know a few people who work in the fashion industry and sell their designs through well-known retailers and the cut they get is abysmal overall.
 
Paul Murray said:
This actually doesn't surprise me, the fashion industry as a whole is notorious for low wages and not paying interns, so it figures that this would bleed into other areas too. I actually went to speak to a pretty well-known sports retailer a while back about working on some projects for them and one of the first things they asked was if I would drop my rates to match what they were paying other freelancers. The phrase they used was "introductory discount". This was before they'd even asked to see my work.

I also know a few people who work in the fashion industry and sell their designs through well-known retailers and the cut they get is abysmal overall.
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What was your reply?
 
Paul Murray said:
This actually doesn't surprise me, the fashion industry as a whole is notorious for low wages and not paying interns, so it figures that this would bleed into other areas too. I actually went to speak to a pretty well-known sports retailer a while back about working on some projects for them and one of the first things they asked was if I would drop my rates to match what they were paying other freelancers. The phrase they used was "introductory discount". This was before they'd even asked to see my work.

I also know a few people who work in the fashion industry and sell their designs through well-known retailers and the cut they get is abysmal overall.
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It wasn't Sports Direct by any chance?

I once went there (Shirebrook) for an interview and I couldn't get out of the place quick enough.
Interview was like "good cop, bad cop" and I almost ended up arguing with Bad Cop.

My nice now works in Fashion Graphic Design and she has to do an internship as part of her Uni course.
She ended up in London working as PA to the owner of a BIG fashion house.

Her accommodation was around £750 pcm before her living expenses and this went on for six months.
Her pay was £0.00.
 
That one by @scotty is a joke... they're wanting someone who can basically charge up to £50 an hour to work for just above minimum wage, even when I left uni we were told we should be aiming for £15 per hour and this was over 10 year ago..... Sadly there are likely people out there who would take the work on...
 
scotty said:
It wasn't Sports Direct by any chance?
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Close, but not quite. They do gyms as well ;)

@GCarlD said:
What was your reply?
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I kept it professional and explained that's not how I work. I offer discounts to existing clients, but never new ones. Ironically they wanted to start producing work that rivals luxury brand marketing, but obviously on a shoe-string budget. I left shortly after and never heard from them again. As soon as I sat down and they explained they'd given the work I actually was there to discuss to another contractor the day before, I knew it had been a massive waste of my time. This is exactly why I prefer to stick to small businesses.
 
Levi said:
That one by @scotty is a joke... they're wanting someone who can basically charge up to £50 an hour to work for just above minimum wage, even when I left uni we were told we should be aiming for £15 per hour and this was over 10 year ago..... Sadly there are likely people out there who would take the work on...
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That's exactly the problem, there must be people working for that amount otherwise they wouldn't even consider offering so little and expecting so much.
 
Levi said:
That one by @scotty is a joke... they're wanting someone who can basically charge up to £50 an hour to work for just above minimum wage, even when I left uni we were told we should be aiming for £15 per hour and this was over 10 year ago..... Sadly there are likely people out there who would take the work on...
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I've seen jobs at minimum wage that require at least two years experience and an extensive skill set.

I mean.... someone goes through several years of design education, then works in the industry for a couple of years to the work at the same rate
as the most menial bottom end of jobs????

It's like with the second example asking for teaching experience.
Correct me if I'm wrong but to teach you need a teaching qualification, then of course knowledge/experience of design.
This is all Uni stuff not short courses.

Then to work for £5.50 as an apprentice or up to £16k as a graduate?

I just don't get what planet they're on.
I sometimes get tempted to hit "APPLY" just to tell them they should be ashamed of themselves in the covering letter.
 
scotty said:
I just don't get what planet they're on.
I sometimes get tempted to hit "APPLY" just to tell them they should be ashamed of themselves in the covering letter.
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You should, we all should!

We the DID (Design Industry Defenders) need to assemble...
 
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