Hay I have been stuck at the top of page2 for a while on this semi all right term for a client, not really concentrated on it as others where a lot better. Anyway I was thinking might as well just look through the competitors you never know I might get lucky and find some bad techniques. Lucky? I've just sent 4 spam reports to both Bing and Google, and 1 of those was done by a SEO company, ha talk about moving up 4 places with ease into the middle of Page1. The thing was they were all on the home page on all 4 and I didn't even need to check the HTML. I know 1 is a major competitor and I can't believe I missed it, as it will be a site wide penalty bye bye to all their rankings, which should put my client up on at least 3 other semi terms. SEO lesson 101 it's not all about links, it's about looking out for dumbass's and getting lucky. Anyone else have any similar experiences?