I have recently been in touch with a client that needs a new logo for their brand. One of the discussions was that they willl only be paying the designer that produces a logo that they choose as they hadn't budgeted for a logo in the first place as a friends who's a graphic designer was meant to do it but has other commitments......... I have replied saying that I don't start any projects untill it is secured by some kind of deposit etc due the amount of time that has to be spent on research, ideas, sketches, development and so on. I then get a final reply saying : "Sorry ill only be paying a designer for the finished product as we have no guarantee you'll produce the look were aiming for. Plus we've already got designers that have agreed to work under these terms, so there's no need to pay another designer prior to finalised work." Im not going to name the brand/person due to their privacy, But you get the idea. I thought it would be interesting to see your views and how you deal with these clients. In my opinion these are the clients that you shouldn't get involved with. There no trust, commitment or enjoyment with out these you can't produce work that best suits the client.