I need a Logo!

[dedwardp]

If you were more flexible to business needs you may not have to be posting on an internet message board looking for work.

Just a thought...

As a design forum that is mainly used by designers I'd suggest it is more for discussion and advice than looking for work, keeping up to date and becoming better.

Take your insulting comments elsewhere.

[SparkCreative]

You'll notice I didn't actually apply for your job.

I kind of thought it would go this way from how you originally worded the brief. I generally come on here to try and help out young designers just starting out. And that's why people like you make me angry, cos you ain't helping them one bit. Pity the fool who takes this job.

[Ian Bonner]

As a design forum that is mainly used by designers I'd suggest it is more for discussion and advice than looking for work, keeping up to date and becoming better.

Take your insulting comments elsewhere.

100% agree with this comment. Many designers on here are helping graduates / young, inexperienced designers help and assistance to start a career in a VERY competitive market. I found your comments extremely insulting and to be completely honest, I would not have even considered sending you anything because you are obviously looking for work on the cheap.

You say you are doing it because you can, but it's also our choice not to submit our ideas. That's why you aren't happy with what you have so far received, because the work you have seen is mainly submitted by inexperienced designers and graduates that you are trying to take advantage of.

When you eventually offer the kind of work that would get us up in the morning then let us know. Until then, don't be surprised to be underwhelmed by the quality of work you get submitted.

[SparkCreative]

When you eventually offer the kind of work that would get us up in the morning then let us know.

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[james.walters]

james.walters

Your portfolio is exceptional and I would hire you in a heart beat! Unfortunately though, you are MASSIVELY out of my price range. I understand you get what you pay for and you are obviously very very very good at what you do. Best of luck in the future

Hi,

Thanks for your feedback and appreaciate and totally understand your needs. Feel free to contact me if you require any large amount of work done.

Take care now!

[Rob Edwards]

Yup that's true.

There's every possibility he's nicked my idea and ripped me off. But honest to god what can a guy do, I spend my days bidding for work on every freelance type site I can lay my hands on. Over and over again pitching for jobs amongst tens of hundreds of other artists desperately selling themselves out and uncutting each other in the hopes of maybe, MAYBE, one day, having someone turn round and actually HIRE you.

Sigh....

It's more than a little disheartening to say the least. Every day you have to pick yourself up again and think maybe if I trimmed a little off my quotes, maybe if I included a free sample...maybe, maybe, maybe...

But still nothing. Not a damn thing.

You're right and everyone else is wrong. This game is now a case of the "last prostitute standing" and if we're all low rent prostitutes now then make sure the last one is you.

And don't apologise, the free pitch argument has raged for decades and winning work is so hard now you've got to do all that you can.

You get my vote.

[YellowPeril]

I've followed this thread with interest being new to the site and didn't bother to offer my services for my own personal reasons, but I never do speculative work, because it is working for nothing and frankly I'd rather spend that time in the garden or taking my dogs for a walk.

When I take on a new brief, generally I've either got it through word of mouth or by someone having seen past work, therefore I don't give choices. It was the one thing I promised myself when I established my own practice. Having worked for studios where the industry standard of three choices were given, I saw so many great ideas watered down with bits taken from each, I thought not for me.

As designers it is our job to know what our best ideas are and have the courage of our convictions, we know that sometimes we could produce ten good ideas that would answer the brief, so why muddy the waters.

I say at the outset, 'I will present you with one idea, if you don't like that idea. tell me why, I'll analyse the comments and come back with a completely fresh idea', and I can tell you with my hand on my heart, in the 25 odd years that I've used this approach over numerous projects, it has only failed a couple of times and in those cases I threw the towel in because I didn't think I could work with the client. Also in the successful presentations, the jobs went through with little or no modifications.

I designed the 'Old Speckled Hen' logo and bottle label around twenty years ago and since then it's had some very minor mods to the typeface used, descriptive wording and it is a cut out octagonal label now (which is what I wanted originally, but the labelling machines couldn't cope at the time) but essentially it is still the same label I designed, which just shows that one good idea is worth more three mediocre ones.

[VLAHAKISA]

I would urge any designer, new or otherwise to not work with this client. You will simply spend years working for a below acceptable hourly rate, and this will not help your aim for long term success as a freelancer.

I recommend that no designer bids at freelance websites either - this is also just another way to work long hard hours for pennies.

I have compiled some advice on my blog about how to gain projects as a designer in a way that will ensure you are well paid for your skills:

Truly Ace Graphic Design Blog

I've been full time freelancing for over 8yrs now, and I do not work for pennies and I do not work for free. Neither should any of you if you have an ounce of sense.

Amanda

[VLAHAKISA]

Quick extra note, I know the marketing advice seems flimsy, but it really does work - you simply need to be relentlessly business networking at the same time as relentlessly pushing your website up the search engines via search engine marketing.

If you have design skills of a professional standard, really is as simple as that.

Amanda

[YellowPeril]

Well said Amanda - good principles to work to - just going to have a look at your blog.

Had a look at the blog - good sound advice on there!